Poole Roundabout – we need your help!

Here is a drone video (speeded up) showing the circulation around Poole Roundabout filmed by Pete Spaldin in mid-December: Stokesley Road at the top, A1035 bypass on the right, A172 to Stokesley at the bottom, Cotcliffe Way on the left, and A172 Dixons Bank top left. Residents have complained about vehicle safety because there are no lane markings on the main approaches to the roundabout and on the roundabout itself. This results in individual drivers having to decide whether the approaches and the roundabout are to be treated as single laned, or double laned. Middlesbrough Borough Council has examined our concerns about the situation and has formally confirmed that the roundabout and approaches are properly configured for single lane approach and circulation and need no lane markings.

We also raised concerns about pedestrian safety when crossing the A172 Dixons Bank via the central reservation at the road’s junction with the roundabout, especially with traffic signs blocking the view. This concern was also rejected.

We would like to know what residents think, having experienced using the roundabout both as pedestrians and drivers.

You can respond in several ways. You can comment by email here. You can comment on the related Facebook post, or you can Message us on Facebook. We would like to hear your views and experiences as we decide how continue to work with the MBC on this matter. Thank you in advance for taking the trouble to feed back. We want to hear all sides of the debate. All replies by email or message will remain confidential in terms of anonymity.

Full text of our bid to host the proposed Community Centre

We are now in a position to share the details of the joint Parish Council, Community Council and the Nunthorpe Institute bid to host the proposed Community Centre on land adjacent to the New Medical Centre on Stokesley Road. The Independent Assessors appointed by Middlesbrough Borough Council have completed their marking of the two bids (the other put forward by Nunthorpe & Marton Playing Fields Association) against pre-agreed criteria. Sadly our marks were a little lower than NMPFA’s, but the selection process is not yet complete.  The bid comprises the primary bid documents and 21 appendices. We are today sharing the primary document. We will shortly be adding the appendices to this news item. We will keep you informed of progress via our Facebook feed.

Please click on the image of the cover of the bid to read the full document.

Update on the Park ‘n’ Ride Vision for Nunthorpe

The Tees Valley Combined Authority has concluded “The TVCA position is that there is not currently a sufficiently strong case to justify investment in development work.” And “Our view is that the only way a parkway station in this location could potentially be viable is if it is considered as part of medium to long term growth aspirations in the vicinity of the proposed location.”

Park ‘n’ ride vision to ease Marton Crawl hits cash roadblock as case deemed not ‘sufficiently strong’ – Teesside Live

Community Facility – Feedback from MBC

Yesterday we received the following communication from Richard Horniman, Director of Regeneration at Middlesbrough Borough Council:

“The process to deliver a new Community Centre at Nunthorpe has commenced. Before Christmas two proposals were received setting out how a new Centre could be provided. One involved a new build next to the new Medical Centre on Stokesley Road, and one proposed an extension of the NMPFA facilities off Guisborough Road. Both proposals have now been carefully considered and scored by an independent panel of organisations. Although both proposals have clear strengths and represent a significant amount of hard work put into their development, the proposal to extend the NMPFA facilities has come out scoring highest. The Nunthorpe Vision Group will now be asked to consider the scoring, look at securing the best arrangement for Nunthorpe, and put forward one of the options for the funders to approve. These next steps should see work starting on designs and seeking planning permission in the next few months.”

We can say no more as the selection process is not yet complete.

UPDATED 07/01/22. Persimmon planning request for road access from the A1035 Nunthorpe by-pass

UPDATE: The Gazette has published an item about this proposal including comments from the Parish Council and others. Read it here.

Nunthorpe Parish Council continues to have concerns about Persimmon’s proposals for housing, and will be objecting to the housing plans when the Planning Committee considers Persimmon’s application. Persimmon’s most recent addition about the location of a road  to its own site does not appear unreasonable, but their inclusion of drawings indicating a road layout to the west of Nunthorpe Grange is not only irrelevant to the Persimmon application, but very misleading, because it preempts the outcome of discussions by the Nunthorpe Vision Group about a revised Masterplan for Nunthorpe Grange.

New Reduced Speed Limits very soon!

In January new, lower speed limits will be introduced as follows:

  • A172 Dixons Bank from the Stainton Way/Southern Cross junction to the turn into Nunthorpe Village – 30 mph (currently 40 mph).
  • From the A172 Old Stokesley Road roundabout to the edge of Nunthorpe village – 30 mph; through Nunthorpe Village (West Side) – 20 mph; continuing from Nunthorpe Village along Old Stokesley Road to the Middlesbrough Boundary (just before the Treebridge Hotel) – 30 mph
  • Church Lane – 20 mphThe following maps show the changes (maps credit Middlesbrough Borough Council, edited).

A172 Dixons Bank

Nunthorpe Village

Church Lane

 

Nunthorpe Bowling Club – Update

Nunthorpe Bowling Club provided a Seasonal Update hoping to have it published in the Winter Greater Nunthorpe News. The timing didn’t work out, so we are sharing their update here. Please click on the logo to open the update.

Developments at the new GP Surgery

Those of you who live on or near Stokesley Road cannot fail to have noticed the works going on, restricting the road to one lane, with temporary traffic lights. The contractors are working to connect the new surgery site to the foul water and surface water drains. They also discovered a water leak at the start of the work – this was widely reported on local social media as the road had to be closed for a short time. The work to support the surgery is great news as the construction work continues, just about on the planned timetable, despite the terrible weather.  The images show the extent of the road barriers and two interior views of the very muddy site (all taken today despite the continuing rain). As you pass by you may also notice a mysterious grey box-like structure next to the future pedestrian entrance to the site. The Site Manager explained that this houses their temporary electrical supply to meet the construction needs. Everyone involved would like to apologise for the temporary inconvenience to residents and traffic travelling along Stokesley Road.

Safety barriers along Stokesley Road where work is being carried out for the new madical centre
Temporary safety barriers
Looking into the Medical Centre site from the Northwest corner
View from the Northwest corner of the site
The future pedestrian access point to the site looking very muddy!
A very muddy future pedestrian access point to the site.

 

Poole Roundabout – Road Markings – Updated

Cllr Walker at Poole Roundabout
Cllr Walker at Poole Roundabout

Local residents have raised questions with the Parish Council about the need for road markings on the approaches to the Poole Roundabout and around the roundabout itself. The debate concerns whether there should be two lanes on some of the approaches, particularly on the A172 approach from Stokesley, and that these should be marked to show the intended direction of travel around the roundabout. Some say it is clearly a two lane roundabout, others argue that all approaches are single lane, as is the roundabout, and Highway Code guidance should be followed. It is clear that drivers respond in differing ways as they approach and circulate around the roundabout. As a result the Parish Council has asked Middlesbrough Borough Council to take action. They have responded saying that there is no reason to do so.

On November 30th Councillor Walker met with the Principal Transport Planning Officer from Middlesbrough Council (who had offered to meet on site) to discuss a number of concerns raised by residents and motorists. According to the Highway Code: “On approaching a roundabout take notice and act on all the information available to you, including traffic signs, traffic lights and lane markings which direct you into the correct lane”. In all cases watch out for and give plenty of room to: “pedestrians who may be crossing the approach and exit roads”.

The officer has agreed to provide a written response to the Parish Council to any questions that local residents have concerning the operation of this roundabout.

See the STOP PRESS announcement about the roundabout road signs at the end of this post!

The centre of Poole Roundabout
The centre of Poole Roundabout

 

Interestingly, the roundabout is shaped like a flan case, in that it is raised up at the edge and hollow in the middle. Does anyone think that the roundabout is too high around the edge? How is visibility particularly when flowers are blooming?

 

 

 

Exit to Dixons Bank showing the roadsign
Exit to Dixons Bank

 

Does this sign (or any other) pose a visibility problem for pedestrians and motorists, and does anyone have difficulty in crossing the road at this point with dogs and push chairs etc?

 

 

 

Cotcliffe Way
Cotcliffe Way
Cotcliffe Way - view of entrance
Cotcliffe Way

 

Has the new entrance/exit to and from Cotcliffe Way (Grey Towers Village) made any difference to the operation of the roundabout?

 

 

 

Approaching the roundabout from the bypass
Approach from the A1043 bypass

 

The 40mph speed limit on the roundabout is going to be reduced to 30mph as part of the speed reduction on DIxons Bank and the A172 coming into force in January.

 

 

 

Looking towards Stokesley
Looking towards Stokesley
Inaccurate roadsign on approach from Stokesley A172
Inaccurate A172 roadsign

Could the signage and road markings be improved and how?

This road sign on the approach to the roundabout on the A172 from Stokesley is out of date, not showing the new road into Grey Towers. Others will be inaccurate too.

STOP PRESS NEWS: In the 24 hours since we posted this news item, the Principal Transport Planning Officer has emailed Councillor Walker to say: “I can confirm that the three ‘map type’ advance direction signs on the major approaches to the roundabout (i.e. A172 Dixons Bank, A172 Stokesley Road and A1043 Nunthorpe Bypass) are in the process of being amended to include Cotcliffe Way.”

What do you think? We will ask the questions that you raise. Please comment on the Facebook post that brought you here or by email adrian.walker@nunthorpepc.org.uk. We apologise for the weather at the time the photographs were taken! Thanks you.